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Vector policies questionable

Published: Tuesday, October 5, 2004

Updated: Thursday, August 27, 2009 23:08

As students work to balance school and paying the bills, they are always looking for the dream job - great pay, flexible hours and opportunities for advancement, but some jobs may be too good to be true.

Vector Marketing, a company that sells Cutco knives, may be one of those jobs. They recruited on campus Tuesday in the Keathley University Center.

Student feedback regarding Vector has been mixed. Students Against Vector Exploitation, or SAVE, has a petition online with more than 1,300 signatures from people who are against the company.

Members complain that Vector promises no telemarketing, yet once hired, employees have to make their own appointments for demonstrations. They are asked to attend mandatory training and conferences unpaid. And they have to buy their own demonstration set, which can cost $150 or more.

Most SAVE members say they were unaware of the costs of working for Vector before being hired.

Jared Scheel, a senior mass communications major, declined a position with Vector in 2002, turned off by what he saw in interviews and training. He described an office that was unprofessional, with temporary furniture and bar graphs on the walls showing the company's success without actual figures. He guessed that no one working there was older than 22.

His interview was mostly a sales pitch for the company. The job was pitched as highly competitive, but he sensed that they weren't too particular about who worked for them.

"Truthfully, I think he would have hired anybody," Scheel said.

"I came to the conclusion that ... they were a scam. It was obvious that they were an illegal pyramid scheme from their management organization. I realized that there were some serious issues with their system."

When Scheel declined the position over the phone, he said the receptionist became vicious.

"She immediately snapped," Scheel said. "The entire facade of professionalism broke apart at that moment, and she started attacking me personally."

Chase Larson, a sophomore marketing major, has had a much better experience with Vector. He worked there last summer, and he has already been promoted from sales representative to assistant manager. He said he has made good money and improved his customer service and interviewing skills.

He discredited SAVE's claims about Vector.

"There's 1,000 signatures on [the petition] out of what, 100,000 employees," Larson said during a shift at Vector's office. "And half of what they say is good."

He added that students now borrow a sample set instead of having to buy their own. He stressed that the company was under new management and conceded that the old manager had been dishonest, though he did not go into specifics.

Larson added that Vector management was "completely honest" during his training.

Vector Marketing gives scholarships to high-performing students and gives matching donations to his or her school.

Kirk Purdom, director of development at MTSU, and Martha Turner, director of the Career and Employment Center, confirmed that Vector has given money to MTSU, but both declined to say how much and on whose behalf.

Turner admitted that she did not have much student feedback regarding Vector, but she said students have done well there.

"It depends if they're assertive and aggressive, if they can make it on their own," Turner said. "My suggestion to a graduate is to investigate and not fall for a high-pitched sale."

Vector has been sued by the states of Wisconsin and Arizona for deceptive advertising. According to The Washington Post, workers in Wisconsin earned less than $3 a day on average selling cutlery for Vector.

According to Milissa Reierson, Information Officer with the Tennessee Department of Labor, no complaints have been filed against Vector in the state.

However, Reierson said the department did not have Vector Marketing listed as an employer in the state. Vector has an office at 3354 Perimeter Hill Dr. in Nashville.

For more information on Vector Marketing, go to their web site.

To see some of SAVE's complaints against Vector, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/savecampaign.

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7 comments

Andrew- Missouri student
Fri Jun 4 2010 13:19
I work for Vector and the CUTCO Co. as a Student $15 is great! I did find out that I would have to do my own taxes. But that my friend is not a problem- all you have to do is ask. Here is Missouri we have some different types of people but everyone that I have met in the distict that we are in are very professional and have helped us to with all of our money problems. I am good friends with my branch manager and all I have to say is that is is a great exp. Another thing even though the company does not give you the money for gas in the end if you do your taxes right you (depending on where you live) can get 55 cents for every mile. Also you need to keep all reciepts becuase those purchases (the knife set) can be written off as deductions. GUYS DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!- ask questions because you will find that it can be very useful for acquiring exp. and money. If you sell products if you remember you get commission and the more you sell the more % you get! another thing if you decide to stop for a while you can start back up when ever and you still retain the commission % that you built up. Again DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you start complaining.
Mario El Paso, TX
Fri Feb 12 2010 23:27
Vector Marketing is the least proffessional place that i have ever worked at. I read the Ad online and ill i could see was the $14.00 an hour base pay. I went in for an interview to this office in a secluded street. I walk into the office and notice that several other people and i were dressed in very formal business attire. I notice the walls did have all kinds of numbers and supposed stats but nothing really to back it up. One thing i notice is that the secretary was just wearing a normal faded tee shirt and jeans, i assumed she wouldve dresses more appropriately since they did want us to dress business attire. In the office there were steel chairs and a desk, this was the waiting room. the point is that the office and staff looked really unprofessional. The District Manager Aaron Nichols had a really cheap looking suit on which seemed to fit him rather big. The night that Nichols was supposed to call me and tell me if i was hired he did not call, it was obvious he was trying to build up the anticipation. I get hired and asked to come in on a friday, 5 people showed up but more than 5 people got hired. That day he pitches us the idea and what we are doing, after that it just seemed like he was trying to sell us a product. What Aaron Nichols failed to advise us was that there was a $150.00 deposit and also he had lied about having customers ready for us to meet and sell merchandise to, we had to build our own clientel. There was the second day where me and another person showed up for work and he came in and told us that there are good things and bad things about being a boss and that no one else was gonna show since he had to fire them due to negative attitudes, then an employee walks in and joins us, turns out the employee was late and that Nichols was lying to us. The point of a college student looking for a job is because we need money! Not to give money to the company that just hired you, thats absurd. It was a very shady and suspicious company. There is no recompensation to the gas that the worker would use, each presentation will take an hour plus getting ready and driving to another demo ends up being 2 hours, so you take 2 hours and split the presentation, that leaves you at 7 dollars an hour. Vector just knows how to whitewash some people. VECTOR MARKETING IS A NO NO NO!!!
The Elephant Man
Wed Feb 3 2010 13:14
I can only say so much since I am not an employee of vector, yet. But I can say this, everybody uses knives. If you have a kitchen you need a knife just like a pot or a sink. Vector knows what doesnt work and doesnt do it. It is a company that evolves in real time. No money can be made by drifting through and padding your exuse book, Succesful people are motivated and informed. Any person can mkae a living selling knives but with vector if you fail they simply ask for their knives back, even then you dont have to give them up. like "thanks for playing, you win anyways".
Angel
Sat Jan 16 2010 21:41
Well I just started with Vector Marketing and I have to admit that it is a bit pushy from my experience so far, but there are qualifications to actually get paid for showing the product, which is the hardest part for me. I do agree that in the initial interview I did feel like I was in an infomercial, but I thought that I could just show the product and get paid for it. However they have to meet those qualifications in order to get paid, which I found disappointing. How ever I think that the way that they approach customers is a good way to do business. Sure it might make the seller of the products uncomfortable, but it is a way to get out there and get a good product known in the comfort of your own home. That's why I'm gonna stick with it.
Dee
Sat Jan 9 2010 16:44
I was not misled by Vector in any way. I was informed at the interview about the deposit for the sample set, and that I could return it for a full refund. I knew the training would be unpaid, and the pay method was clearly explained. After only ten days with the company, of which I worked six evenings, I have made over $700.00. And I have been paid. The managers are respecting my wish to work part time, and had no problem with me not being a college student (I'm 38). I need the extra cash, and quite frankly, the product is incredible. I know people who owned Cutco knives, and every single one of them said they would not own any other kind. No company is perfect for everyone, but I do think the accusations are harsh and misleading. By the way, I checked into Lia sophia, Avon, and other party type jobs, and you have to purchase a lot of sample materials, and don't make anything if you sell nothing. I don't have to make appointments with people I don't know, as well. At least with Vector I will get paid just for showing cutco, even with no purchase. I can rest assured that if I do so many appointments, I will have at least so much money, and probably more. Not so bad at all.
Daniel
Wed Nov 11 2009 15:12
I started working for Vector back in 2007 in Tampa. I started as a representative and I worked hard. Don't get me wrong I believe in life that if success is easy everybody would do it. I got promoted to Assistant Manager after hitting the top tier as a representative. Our office did about $800,000 for the summer. I recently ran a branch office in Georgia, which did over $125,000 and was a top 20 office in the Eastern region. I have made a substantial amount of money. Only reason I know this is that I am in a fraternity and none of my fraternity brothers have thousands of dollars saved as college students. My experience with the company has been that is has given me life skills that I have not gained in any class or any other experience since being in college and that will make me better off for the future. I credit the company with putting me on the right track for success in life and that is why I am going career with Vector as a District Manager in May when I graduate from school. Hey I will be honest it is not for everybody, but then again not everybody is a "go getter" in life either.
James
Wed Nov 4 2009 00:08
Vector Marketing is the reason for my success in business and life skills. I started working for the comapny back in june 2007. What is misunderstood about this company is that, like any other job, you cannot be lazy and get rich quick. The two do not coincide with each other.a fully refundable kit is required for the position. A win-win situation for any applicant that is accepted for the position. Why is this "win-win"? You think of any job/ career, a chef, valet parking, McDonald's employee, construction worker, ect...you have to buy, tools, clothes(sometimes multiple shirts or uniforms) just to start the job. OR you can sell the kit for $540, over a $400 profit. booyah vector rocks! i love it. and U can make tons of money. i made thousands of dollars selling cutco, and i never sold a thing in my life before. So many people look towards the negative on anything, just to have proof as to why they shouldn't work hard. I tell you from personal experience, This company offers excellent experience for people.






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